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Porumbeii galateni-nevoia de clarificare(partea 2)

Posted on March 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM

3.STANDARDUL  ACTUAL

 

   Pe ceea ce-ar fi trebuit sa fie standardul unei rase a fost dintotdeauna o lupta crancena intre adeptii uneia sau alteia dintre varietati.Si cand spun asta nu ma refer nicidecum la existenta a doar doua tabere,cei cu zburatorii sau cei cu jucatorii,e vorba de mult mai multe « tabere » fiecare cu propria viziune motivata de felul porumbeilor crescuti.In mod normal,chiar cu oameni de cea mai buna credinta,nu s-ar putea face un standard care sa-i multumeasca pe toti.Iar in punctul asta nu e neaparat vina crescatorilor ca nu se pun de acord,cat mai degraba toate neintelegerile pornesc de la marea diversitate de porumbei,cu caracteristici atat de diferite,incat e imposibil sa-i poti strange pe toti intr-un standard intocmit in mod riguros si realist.Exista astazi un standard oficial,propus de asociatia locala din orasul de origine,omologat la EE,dar el este inadecvat realitatii,adica altfel zis acest standard e oarecum corect intocmit dar el nu poate cuprinde decat o mica parte din populatia de porumbei galateni,adica doar pe aceia crescuti pe principiul aspectului.In forma lui actuala el este nepotrivit atat pentru varietatile de zburatori fara joc cat si jucatorilor(indeosebi pentru moriscari) fiind partial valabil pentruacei porumbei carora li se zice « de zbor si invartitura ».Tipurile diferite de conformatii ale capului ne indica in mod evident ca avem de-a face cu « rase » diferite.Iar compromisul de-a cauta o singura forma a capului,asa cum s-a incercat prin acest standard, e paguboasa fiindca scoate in afara standardului varietati pentru care conformatia capului era doar una dintre mai multele diferente existente intre diversele forme in care sunt cunoscuti acesti porumbei.Faptul ca in standard este mentionata obligativitatea jocului,practic aspectul asta n-are nici o valoare din moment ce nu e  luata in serios de nimeni,chiar daca acest standard este intocmit pentru o rasa denumita « Jucator de Galati ».Specificitatea fiecarei varietati,fie ca vorbim de zburatori sau de jucatori si,pe cale deconsecinta, conservarea unor calitati valoroase identificabile in cazul fiecarei varietati,nu se poate realiza prin incercarea de a-i transforma pe toti conform modelului adoptat pentru pasarile de expozitie.Ba dimpotriva,este nevoie ca fiecare sa-si pastreze atat caracterele morfologice cat si aptitudinile la zbor,acelea care pot fi cu usurinta identificate intr-una sau alta dintre mai multele populatii de porumbei.

  Fiind un standard intocmit pe cerintele arbitrajului la boxa in expozitie,el dauneaza pe fond atat varietatilor care zboara cat si celor care joaca,in sensul in care nici unii nici ceilalti nu prea seamana ca aia de ajung sa fie expusi in expozitii.In plus, pe sistemul asta se creeaza un soi de deruta atat in randul crescatorilor tuturor varietatilor cat si a celor potential crescatori deoarece continua eterna poveste  :care-i de fapt exponentul porumbeilor galateni ?!

  Ori pentru asta e necesar sa revenim asupra continutului proiectului de standard adoptat in 1973 si sa observam cerintelede baza pretinse rasei galatene si a modificarilor fata de ceea ce se dorea prin « indreptar ».

  .Asupra diferentelor care tin de partea descriptiva nu vreau sa insist  fiindca,fara a fi neglijabile,nu modifica in esenta lucrurile stiute.In schimb,sub aspectul caracteristicilor definitorii ale rasei galatene o sa  redau un fragment din proiectul de standard intocmit in ianuarie 1973,document ce poarta semnaturile lui Leonte,Margineanu,Mironescu si inca doua care sunt indescifrabile si asupra carora nu ma pot pronunta cu certitudine cui apartin.Deci,spre finalul acelui proiect de standard se spune asa : « Putinii crescatori ce au mai ramas cu vechi si batranesti deprinderi,mostenite de-a lungul trecutului acestei rase,au respins teoriile aprecierii frumusetii dupa excesive simetrii proprii raselor de decor,teorie ce aduce rasa porumbeilor « galateni » in pragul unei comercializari avantajoase.Culoarea si repartitia ei pe penaj corespund exigentelor si cerintelor actuale ale rasei,plecand de la un punctaj neaparat necesar,aceasta rasa nefiind de ornament,punctajul ei fiind stabilit pentru toate calitatile si caracteristicile ce le intruneste si le inmanuncheaza intr-un tot unitar contribuind la afirmarea ei.Astfel,incepand cu anul1973,aceasta rasa va aparea in orice expozitie interna si internationala,exemplarele prezentate purtand fise de zbor cu punctajul adecvat pentru zbor si invartitura,osatura si penajul fiind calitati ce se vor aprecia in cadrul punctajului stabilit :I.Zbor-40p. ;II.Invartitura-30p. ;III.Osatura-20p. IV.Penaj-10p. »Dupa care urmeaza o «Nota » in care se precizeaza urmatoarele : « Orice exemplar care nu corespunde punctelor exprimate in acest proiect de standard,intocmit si aprobat de majoritatea crescatorilor acestei rase,crescatori cu mare experienta si vechime,nu face parte din aceasta rasa ».Aceste mentiuni,care  incercau sa redea cumva esenta tipului de porumbel galatean,nu mai apar sub nici o forma si in standardul propriu-zis iar crescatorii de azi in marea lor majoritate ori nu le cunosc ori,aceia care stiu de ele, se fac ca le-au uitat.In standard nu se mai aminteste nimic nici de o alta mentiune din proiect,respectiv cea in care se afirma urmatoarele : « Aceasta rasa,prezentand fata de toate celelalte rase de zbor calitati de mare frumusete si varietate de culoare,in specificul acestei rase,unii crescatori vizand scopuri comerciale au lucrat in baltaturi excesiv simetrice specifice raselor de decor,obtinand exemplare care au tentat pe necunoscatorii rasei galatene.Aceste exemplare nu au mai avut caracteristicile de baza ale porumbelului galatean,fara de care i se poate spune ori cum dar galatean NU(subl.conform textului original) »

   In baza acestor prevederi,asa cum s-a dorit de catre unii dintre cei care au contribuit intr-un fel sau altul la formarea si dezvoltarea rasei,se trag foarte simplu niste concluzii evidente :

-inca din 1973 se apreciase ca doar « putini crescatori » mai pastrau vechile obiceiuri de crestere a acestor porumbei opunandu-se transformarii acestora conform noilor tendinte in care predominau nu pastrarea caracterelor mostenite din batrani ci spiritul comercial,conducand la distrugerea rasei ;

-nu pot face parte din rasa « galateni » exemplarele care nu prezinta joc ;

-nu pot face parte din rasa « galateni » exemplarele care zboara durate mari si cu joc slab ;

-nu pot faceparte din rasa « galateni » exemplarele cu joc intens dar fara indeplinirea cerintelor minime de durata a zborului ;

-nu pot face parte din rasa « galateni » exemplarele care sunt crescute pe criterii de aspect,indiferent de motive,acestor porumbei putandu-li-se spune oricum,numai galateni nu ;

-practic,acei oameni,cu Ovidiu Leonte in frunte,recunosteau sub semnatura ca doar « necunoscatorii »intr-ale traditiilor de crestere a acestor porumbei umblau  cu si propovaduiau baltaturile tipizate ;

 In legatura cu aceasta ultima concluzie,care nu-i descoperirea mea de-acum,au spus-o altii inca de-acum 40 de ani ,e de remarcat ca o foarte mare parte dintre beneficiarii acelor« lucraturi » ce urmareau tipizarea baltaturii au fost si mai sunt si astazi dintre aceia care se revendica  drept unici detinatori ai « adevaratilor galateni ».Unde gasim noi astazi acele modele de porumbei cu un anumit tipar al desenului,gen capace colorate,calota,coada vanata si piept si burta alba ? Ce coincidenta,exact la aceia care sunt astazi cei mai vocali in legatura cu pastrarea traditiilorsi-a puritatii rasei dar care sunt,conform celor precizate de niste mai batrani crescatori,doar niste « necunoscatori ».

  Cu toate bunele lor intentii si o echilibrata atitudine fata de traditiile cresterii acestor porumbei,aceia care au intocmit acel proiect de standard au lasat nelamurite unele aspecte esentiale,cum ar fi :ce inseamna de fapt transpus practic acele ponderi de apreciere ? Cat trebuie sa zboare un exemplar si cat sa joace in acest rastimp in asa fel incat sa se poata spune ca indeplineste acea proportie prestabilita ? In ce masura acele punctaje prestabilite puteau fi neindeplinite, dar un exemplar mai putea fi considerat ori nu ca apartinand rasei ?.Daca 40p reprezinta maximul aprecierii calitatii de zburator era suficient sa zboare acel prag minim de durata sau mai mult ?Pentru ca unui exemplar sa-i fie atribuite,de exemplu,doar 30 p pentru zbor ce performante de durata ar fi trebuit sa indeplineasca ?

 Iar in mod similar se pot formula astfel de nedumeriri si in ceea ce priveste aptitudinile de joc.In privinta acceptarii snurului minim pornind de la 2m asta presupune ca un exemplar care face doar un asemenea snur poate primi punctajul maxim pentru joc ? Si atunci,pentru exemplarele care joaca in snururi de 15-20 m sau mai mult cate puncte li se mai atribuie pentru aceasta calitate specifica ?

 Daca ducem lucrurile mai departe si incercam sa corelam prevederile din acest proiect de standard ,ca si standardul insasi,cu prevederile din regulamentul  de zbor pe care il gasim tot in cartea despre porumbeii galateni,despre care nu mai stim daca e conceptia acelorasi oameni sau doar a lui Leonte,nedumeririle crescsi mai mult.Acolo vedem,de exemplu, ca punctajul pentru zbor se acorda,in aceeasi limita maxima de apreciere de 40p, si in functie de marimea stolului lansat si nu doar pentru durata ori inaltimea de zbor.Apoi vedem ca recompensa maxima in privinta jocului o primesc exemplarele care cad,deci« cazatorii » sunt cei mai performanti galateni de joc.Si culmea,asta dupa ce cu doua pagini mai inainte aflasem din standard ca,citez, « jocul de cadere nu e propriu rasei ».

  Potrivit criteriilor de apreciere stabilite,indiferent ca vorbim de participarea in expozitii sau la concursuri,n-ar fi fost prea complicat de stabilit care exemplare nu sunt in rasa.Mai complicat era de determinat care sunt acele exemplare care indeplinesc cerintele si ,mai ales,in ce masura.Cum insa in standard n-a fost transpus si spiritul de crestere in cadrul rasei,cu sau fara un standard oficial,a fost si s-a mentinut aceeasi debandada existenta dinainte ca sa se fi intocmit acel standard.Adica fiecare a considerat ca poate fi« galatean » orice fel de porumbel care satisface gusturile personale.Iar tensiunile dintre sustinatorii diverselor varietati existente nu s-au diminuat ba as spune ca dimpotriva.

   Exprimandu-se in stereotipii ieftine unii spun ca varianta ideala e aceea in care porumbelul ar putea fi deopotriva un bun zburator si unul la fel de bun jucator,ca selectarea unui asemenea tip de porumbel e adevarata performanta in materie.Din pacate pentru sustinatorii unor astfel de idei dincolo de vorbe mari ramane doar realitatea cruda :niste porumbei mediocri prin rezultate, atat ca zbor cat si ca joc.Asta daca facem comparatie cu rase specializate ori pe zbor,ori pe joc.Zborul si jocul acestor porumbei,daca s-ar fi dorit perpetuarea traditiilor mai vechi,ar fi trebuit sa fie complementare.Dar ce-ar fi insemnat asta in mod practic prin masuratori cuantificabile n-a mai spus nimeni.Cu durata e oarecum mai simplu,daca zboara acea ora sau ora si jumatate se poate spune ca ar fi ok,adica se poate spune ca apartine rasei.Dar ca sa fie cu adevarat performant cate ore ar trebui sa zboare ?Problema jocului e si mai delicata cat timp nimeni n-a spus cate jocuri trebuie executate in acea durata minima de zbor.Fiindca titulatura de « jucator » se poate spune ca o merita si un exemplar care face 20 de snururi intr-o ora ca si unul care joaca o singura data.Iar astfel de aprecieri pot conduce,si-au condus fara indoiala,la alegerea unor extreme de selectie si la generarea de conflicte intre crescatori.Dar mai mult decat orice toate astea nu inseamna decat ca in mod real a incerca sa tratezi « galatenii » drept o rasa cu caractere unitare este practic imposibil.

    Neputand fi niciodata confirmata practic,ideea ca un zburator galatean ar putea intrece la zbor tipllerii ramane doar o expresie hazardata.In realitate performantele tipplerilor isi gasesc comparatie  doar in unele realizate de niste zburatori rusesti.In schimb moriscarii chiar sunt cea mai grozava rasa deporumbei jucatori cunoscuta prin maniera in care fac asta putand concura cu succes orice alta rasa de jucatori din lume.In mod cert interpretarea afirmatiilor lui Peterfi dupa care unele varietati concureaza tipplerii iar altele intrec rollerii orientali a fost una eronata.Asta pentru ca Peterfi n-a afirmat niciodata ca vreo singura varietate e capabila sa concureze si tipplerii si rollerii.Iar de la consideratia asta a urmat un sir nesfarsit de erori de apreciare.

   Este prea bine cunoscut ca si astazi,ca intotdeauna de cand au aparut acesti porumbei,au fost si sunt  gusturi diverse in privinta lor.Ideea ca poate exista deopotriva porumbelul de mare performanta la zbor si cu joc pe masura nu e decat o mare ipocrizie.Acele limite de performata minime prevazute de indreptar sau standard cred ca n-ar fi trebuit pretinse dincolo de niste posibilitati reale dovedite.In realitate zborul de mare durata e asociat cu lipsa jocului sau a unuia de foarte slaba calitate sau frecventa,pe cand jocul performant nu e dublat,in cel mai fericit caz, decat de durate ale zborului de marime medie.Iar afirmatiile astea au la baza media unor performante atribuibile unor populatii de porumbei si nu judecand pe cazuri singulare.Ori pe constatarile astea,raportandu-ne la ceea ce si-au dorit acei batrani crescatori prin proiectul de standard ,se observa ca nu prea mai exista rasa« galateana » in modelul imaginat de ei.

  « Adevaratii » porumbei galateni,cei pe care-i invoca toata lumea ,dar doar atunci cand vine vorba de proprii porumbei,sunt pretutindeni si nicaieri.Eroarea fundamentala in care s-au gasit aceia care au facut acel proiect de standard din 1973,ca si standardul din 1975,si toate celelalte care au urmat pana azi,este aceea ca  standardizarea ca si procedura de identificare a unei rase prin comparatie cu altele nu poate opera cu notiuni generale ci cu unele cat mai precise.Din proiectul de standard se intelege foarte clar ce anume porumbei nu pot face parte din rasa « galatenilor » insa ramane foarte neclar ce fel de porumbei sunt totusi « galatenii » astia pana la urma.Cerintele acelea generale « sa zboare,sa joace si sa arate intr-un anumit fel »sunt foarte vagi si ele nu ajuta cu nimic la identificarea corecta a rasei si sa permita ulterior o ierarhizare a porumbeilor apartinand rasei in orice fel de competitie.S-a afirmat ca « galatenii » sunt o rasa care se identifica dupa zbor,dupa joc,dupa osatura si penaj.Dar nu e nimic nou in asa afirmatie,toate rasele  de zbor se identifica la fel,dupa aceleasi criterii.Ca s-o « standardizezi »trebuie sa vii si sa spui intr-un mod mai clar si mai precis care-i tipul si durata zborului,ce fel de joc e propriu rasei si ,cat mai clar cu putinta, ince fel arata.Pentru ca daca vii si spui ca zborul e de la o ora in sus,ca jocul e si mai scurt si mai lung,ca forma capului poate fi  si mai patrata si mai alungita si mai  acvilina,ca poate fi si mai scurt si mai lung pe picioare sau ca ciocurile pot fi de la scurte pana la lungi,toate astea sustinute de un penaj care accepta macar toate culorile « tari »,asta nu se cheama nici rasa si nici standard.Oricine poate face lesne o lista lunga cu alte rase care pot fi deopotriva si « galateni ».

  Si in 1973,ca si astazi dealtfel,porumbeii« galateni » erau foarte diferiti ;Margineanu avea un fel deporumbei care si zburau si jucau(cat,cum si in ce fel nu prea se stie) ;Mironescu se stie c-a avut si propria « rasa » de moriscari  leftati dar si niste « margelati » foarte buni zburatori, dar fara joc ;Leonte a fost partizanul baltatilor pe vanat,a afirmat ca baltatura simetrica nu-i proprie rasei dar a crescut altceva si-a sfarsit prin a propovadui varianta aia« ameliorata » de ciocos vanat,cu inel de 8mm si greutate peste 400g,obtinut prin tot felul de corciri « neortodoxe ».In conditiile astea cum sa ne fi asteptat ca oamenii astia sa fi dat o definitie unica si riguroasa acestor porumbei,asa cum un standard o cere ?!

  Unii vor spune ca poate ar fi mai bine ca« galatenii »,ca si alte rase performante la zbor,sa nici nu mai aiba un standard.Din pacate realitatea nu permite asa ceva,termenul de« porumbel galatean » a ajuns in timp sa desemneze atat de multe feluri de porumbei incat nu ne putem afla in situatia tipplerilor sau aRollerilor de Birmingham, in cazul carora tipologiile sunt extrem de limpezi de zeci de ani.

  Sunt pe la noi unii care-i acuza pe straini c-au corcit galatenii(moriscarii) luati din Romania cu alte rase,cum ar fi Rollerii de Birmingham sau chiar tippleri,pretinzand ca aceia nu mai sunt niste galateni « adevarati ».Bun,acei crescatori din strainatate au recurs la asa ceva de nevoia determinata de lipsa materialului genetic,apeland totusi la ceva foarte inrudit cu galatenii adusi din Romania.Dar ca in Romania s-au corcit galatenii aia de mai demult cu tot felul de rase,ba voiajori de multe feluri,ba alte rase de ornament,si ca rezultatelor acestor corciri li se spune tot « galateni » o fi corect ?!

   Dar,de fapt,din pacate intotdeauna problema s-a pus prost,nefiind esential care-i acea varietate exponentiala din marea populatie de porumbei galateni.Pe fond,romanii s-au trezit ca au acesti porumbei,unii mai vechi,altii mai noi,cu tot felul de trasaturi caracteristice si abilitati specifice,si n-au stiut cum sa procedeze cu ei.Pe mana altora cu siguranta erau demult clasificati si indexati corespunzator unor criterii unitare si conflicte existente poate de generatii n-ar mai fi avut niciun suport.

  Spre o mai buna exemplificare o sa va redau modalitatea dupa care o situatie similara galatenilor a fost rezolvata de crescatorii bulgari.E vorba de cea mai renumita rasa bulgareasca,Rollerul de Pazardjik(Pazardjiki bemkalia),cunoscut mai ales in varietatea de culoare alba,de fapt nu alb complet intrucat in zona crupionului are niste solzi colorati,asa-numitele « alunite » de culoare neagra,rosie sau cenusie,iar coada este « suflata » si ea adesea in aceleasi nuante.Ca si la noi,la un moment dat o parte dintre crescatori a optat pentru porumbei cuz bor de inaltime dar fara joc si evident o durata mai mare.Drept urmare au aparut Zburatorii de Pazardjik(Pazardjiki visokoletaci) porumbei obtinuti initial din rollerii din zona incrucisati cu zburatori de culoare neagra,astazi gasindu-i in variante simple,baltate,pestrite si chiar almonzi.Acestia au zbor de durata mai mare si nu mai joaca decat intamplator.Tot in zona mai exista inca doua rase de zburatori selectionate din acelasi roller de Pazardjik,anumeZburatorii sfarcolati de Plovdiv(Plovdivski belokraen) si Zburatorii unicolori de Plovdiv(Plovdivski ceren) care,ca si ceilalti ,sunt zburatori de inaltime si durata si foarte rar se mai intalnesc intre ei si exemplare cu joc mic.Dintre pasarile rezultate din primele incrucisari intre rolleri si zburatori si care erau eliminate de crescatorii care apreciau doar zborul,o buna parte au ajuns in zona Burgas,unde s-a format o rasa noua,rollerii de Pomorie.Deci plecand de la o rasa initiala de rolleri(care s-a pastrat si in forma initiala fiind si pe mai departe recunoscuta drept cea mai valoroasa rasa autohtona) au rezultat inca alte 4 rase,3 de zburatori de inaltime si inca una de rolleri.Toti acesti porumbei au caractere morfologice foarte asemanatoare,poate chiar identice, insa cu toate acestea fiecare varietate are un standard propriu fiind considerata o rasa separata.Deosebirile constau doar in particularitatea zborului si,foarteinteresant,in tonalitatea cantecului la unii dintre ei.Explicatia crescatorilo rbulgari pentru « standardizarea » separata a acestor porumbei este ca trebuie recunoscute tendintele si specificul pentru care opteaza crescatorii.Si nimeni n-a reclamat ca se atenteaza la unitatea rasei pentru aceste standardizari separate.

    Probabil ca o standardizare dupa rigorile EE a tuturor acestor porumbei e chiar o imposibilitate,dar inainte de asta,avand in vedere ca vorbim despre porumbei crescuti exclusiv pentru zbor sau  joc,nici nu conteaza prea mult daca au sau nu si un standard EE..Mai important e ca exista standarde nationale pentru acesti porumbei,ca asociatia nationala ii recunoaste ca atare iar acest fapt permite tuturor sa-i creasca pe aceia pe care-i prefera,fara restrictii formale.

  Iar acest exemplu nu e unicat.Ca sa ramanem tot in grupa porumbeilor zburatori mai avem si exemplul zburatorilor unguresti unde pe langa rasa« clasica »,mai cunoscuti la noi drept Berzatii de Budapesta( si caresunt recunoscuti in vreo 5-6 variante de desen specific),mai avem zburatorii sfarcolati de Budapesta,zburatorii albastrii de Pesta,zburatorii brumati sau zburatorii de Csepel,toti acestia fiind foarte asemanatori intre ei atat morfologic cat si ca aptitudini de zbor,dar fiecare figurand ca si rasa de sine statatoare.

   Daca facem obsesie pe criteriile aplicabile de catre Comisia de standardizare a EE scapam din vedere ca ele sunt valabile indeosebi pentru rase de porumbei destinate in principal participarii la expozitii.Iar in acele situatii,vrei nu vrei,ca sa-i poti omologa trebuie sa identifici obligatoriu acele minim 2 diferente fata de orice alta rasa deja omologata.Ori in cazul raselor de porumbei care se cresc pentru zbor si joc e cam deplasat sa folosim aceeasi masura,in conditiile in care caracterele exterioare ale porumbeilor de zbor sunt in mare masura asemanatoare,neputand admite prea multe variatii structurale sau ornamentale fara a pierde din calitatile lor speciale de zbor si joc.E o realitate ca foarte multe din rasele de porumbei de zbor nu-s foarte atractive din punct de vedere al aspectului,dovada ca nici la EE nu se manifesta un asa mare interes pentru asemenea rase,cu toate ca numeric vorbind si acestea reprezinta un grup destul de numeros.Cele mai multe dintre rasele cu performante la zbor n-au standarde omologate EE decat numai pentru varietati anume create pentru expozitie,iar altele n-au niciun fel de standarde.Ca e bine sau rau,e de discutat.

  In practica definirii raselor romanesti s-a mai intamplat un lucru curios :galatenii,cu toata marea lor diversitate cunoscuta si recunoscuta au fost prezentati,mai complet sau mai putin complet,ca si cum ar fi o singura rasa,pe cand zburatorilor romanesti crescuti mai ales la Bucuresti si in zonele limitrofe,li s-au intocmit standarde separate,desi in foarte multe cazuri diferentele intre diversele varietati nu impuneau asta mai mult decat s-ar fi fi putut constata in cazul diverselor varietati de galateni.Am avut standarde separate pentru argintii si bujori,pentru orbeteni si canepii,pentru visinii sau baltati,numai de conglomeratul asta atat  de diversificat pe care-l reprezinta porumbeii galateni nu s-a atins nimeni,lasandu-i grupati intr-o gramada nedefinita de pe urma careia nu s-aintamplat nimic bun,fiind o sursa permanenta de discordie intre crescatori.

  In concluzie,fara a fi initiat o intrecere de genul care face mai multe rase,recunoasterea prin standarde separate ale acestor realitati da satisfactie unei mase mai largi de crescatori mentinand activitatea columbofila nationala la o scara cat mai mare.Si nici macar n-am putea spune ca ar fi asta vreo inventie romaneasca,e o realitate de fapt acceptata in toate tarile care privesc columbofilia ca pe o activitate cu mare impact in randul oamenilor.

 

4.CLARIFICARI  NECESARE

 

  Din considerente care tin de originile porumbeilor galateni,de modul in care acestia au fost perceputi in timp de crescatori romani sau straini,de modalitatile in care ei au fost descrisi in diferite lucrari de autori columbofili romani sau straini,de felul in care s-a dorit standardizarea lor si esecul practic al acestui fapt, consider ca este nevoie de separarea lucrurilor.La fel ca si pana acum cred ca porumbeii trebuie clasificati cat mai exact cu putinta si nu numai din punct de vedere al caracterelor morfologice cat si al aptitudinilor de zbor.Mai ales la porumbeii de zbor linia de demarcatie intre diferitele tipuri trebuie cat mai clar trasata pastrand pentru fiecare varietate un specific al ei care sa-i asigure perpetuarea.Amestecul uniformizator e pagubos pe termen lung ducand la inevitabile pierderi de insusiri valoroase.Daca o anume varietate dispune de caractere care-i dau unicitate este corect si in beneficiul respectivei varietati ca ea sa fie standardizata distinct Ideea ca prin standard se pot face constrangeri asupra crescatorilor in scopul orientarii selectiei e falsa in cazul raselor de zbor.Intotdeauna aceia care sustin zborul de cat mai lunga durata vor elimina jucatorii si invers.La noi s-a batut multa vreme apa in piua,in cazul galatenilor,pe tema pastrarii unitatii rasei.Care unitate nu numai ca n-a existat dar ea s-a concretizat mai mult in conflicte intre crescatori decat in vreun element de beneficiu pentru porumbei.O populatie atat de mare de porumbei,dar atat de diversa in continut,tinuta fortat sub o denumire comuna,nici macar aia una potrivita sau acceptata unanim,e un semn de dezorganizare mare.Asa-zisii « adevarati » galateni inainte de-a fi pretinsi ca sunt detinuti de unul sau de altul trebuie sa faca dovada calitatilor specifice,asa cum au fost cerute ele odinioara.Din pacate nu si intr-o forma care sa  lase loc interpretarilor de orice fel si in orice sens.

  Am considerat ca neincluderea zburatorilor fara joc intr-un standard al Jucatorului de Galati e un pas normal dar s-adovedit ca nu e deloc suficient,existand inca destui care sunt adeptii lucrurilor amestecate.Desi si in acel caz tot era vorba de un compromis fiindca nu era suficient ca toti porumbeii sa fi fost jucatori,mai ramaneau inca  alte caractere diferite care-i separau.Ori daca nefirescul a invins normalitatea si inca mai avem situatii in care exemplare de zburatori fara joc sunt asimilati jucatorilor intr-o singura asa-zisa rasa,cred ca pasul urmator si normal de facut este scoaterea jucatorilor dintr-un standard care nu-i reprezinta decat poate prin nume.Si ca sa nu ne intelegem gresit,atunci cand vorbesc de « jucatori » ma refer la jucatori galateni de tip moriscar,atat prin natura jocului cat si prin caractere morfologice specifice,astfel cum sunt ei descrisi si mentionati dintotdeauna de cand avem scrieri care sa faca referire la ei.Fiindca.daca tot vorbim de rollerii romanesti nu-i putem considera astfel pe aceia care fac doar 1-3 tumbe.

  In plus de asta trebuie gasita neaparat o rezolvare si pentru acei porumbei crescuti strict pe criterii de aspect..In ziua de azi informatia circula la un alt nivel decat in urma cu ceva timp si  deja se fac multe confuzii :se preiau tot felul de poze facute inclusiv incadrul unor expozitii si se afiseaza cu titulatura de « galatzer roller » niste modele de porumbei care sunt cu siguranta orice,numai« rolleri » nu.Ne amagim degeaba ca prezenta in expozitii e una iar concursurile de zbor altceva,astea doua lucruri putand fi facute cu aceiasi porumbei.In realitate e vorba de tipuri diferite de porumbei.Nici macar prezenta in cadrul expozitiilor a unor porumbei cu fise de zbor(desi in realitate s-a dovedit ca nu prea e agreata de organizatori) nu rezolva nimic cata vreme aprecierea se face dupa un acelasi standard care avantajeaza in mod evident tipul de expozitie.Precum au spus si acei batrani crescatori in anii  ’60-’70,osatura si penajul,care sunt singurele calitati dupa care se arbitreaza porumbeii in expozitii,n-ar trebui sa reprezinte in cazul « galatenilor »decat cel mult o treime in valoarea finala.Si-atunci cu zborul sau jocul,care-s caractere mai importante decat osatura si penajul ce facem ? Folosim termenul de « galateni » pentru orice fel de porumbei si din motivul asta toata lumea e in conflict cu toata lumea.

  Daca sunt unii care au facut fixatie pe termenul de « Jucator de Galati » e treaba lor.Din punct de vedere al terminologiei acesta este oarecum inadecvat pentru tipul de porumbel pe care-l reprezinta moriscarul,care-i de fapt un porumbel unic prin felul si maniera in care joaca si care-i singura varietate cu insusiri de roller,fapt recunoscut mai ales in strainatate.Toate rasele cu abilitati asemanatoare au,daca nu o denumire locala specifica,cel putin apelativul de « roller » in denumirea oficiala a rasei.Termenul de « jucator »e mult prea larg si el e mai degraba similar cu englezescul « tumbler » ori nemtescul« tummler » ori frantuzescul « culbutant » care desemneaza un tip cu totul diferit de porumbel din punct de vedere al manierei de joc.

  In acest material nu mi-am popus sa duc vreun razboi impotriva niciunei  varietati de porumbei,zburatori ori jucatori sau de orice fel s-o vrea ea.Este foarte bine ca ele exista intr-o diversitate cat mai mare,fiecare dintre ele avand adeptii ei..Ma deranjeaza insa  perpetuarea unu iamestec din care unii nu urmaresc decat sa scoata avantaje cu orice pret,ignorandu-se istoria si traditiile cresterii porumbeilor la noi in tara.Cred ca e timpul ca fiecare sa-si vada de optiunea lui si sa nu mai transformam o titulatura intr-un motiv de vrajba nationala.Cata vreme sub denumirea de« Jucator de Galati » fiecare e dispus sa introduca orice fel de tip de porumbel,atat ca aspect cat si ca aptitudini,cred ca dorindu-se atat de atotcuprinzatoare denumirea asta a ramas goala de continut,ea nu mai desemneaza la modul concret ceva anume,ci doar ce doreste fiecare.Ori asa ceva chiar nu se poate.Daca mai vrea cineva sa se razboiasca pe denumirea asta n-are decat,recunoasterea ei a ramas doar la intern un motiv de disputa,prin alte parti aceia care au ales sa creasca astfel de porumbei i-au incadrat demult categoriei potrivite.Pe nicaieri in lume,nimeni nu creste, intr-o forma recunoscuta cumva, nici galateni de ornament si nici galateni zburatori fara joc.Dar, daca si-ar dori cineva s-o faca, macar sa stie din partea noastra,ca si tara de origine a lor,despre ce e vorba.Sa spunem si pe mai departe ca zburatorii sunt varietatea de zbor a jucatorului de Galati e deopotriva ilogic si caraghios cum la fel de ridicol ar fi sa afirmam ca moriscarul ar putea fi varietatea de joc a jucatorului galatean.Normal e ca moriscarul sa ramana moriscar,zburatorul sa devina ceea ce si e de fapt,iar aia de frumusete sa fie botezati pe masura.La fel cum de normal e ca fiecare varietate ce poate fi identificata intr-o populatie anume avand caractere unitare sa fie standardizata separat.N-are niciun rost sa ramanem in sfera asta perpetuu conflictuala in loc sa-si vada fiecare de treaba lui.Faptul ca nimeni,niciodata,n-a reusit sa conceapa un regulament de concurs multumitor,iar astazi se tot modifica prevederile regulamentelor anual,in incercarea de-a impaca si capra si varza,dovedeste fara indoiala ca porumbelul deopotriva performant si la zbor si la joc e doar o utopie,modificarile continue nefiind altceva decat rezultatul luptei permanente,mai subtile sau mai fatise, intre adeptii uneia sau celeilalte dintre tabere.Oricat de mult l-ai antrena,un exemplar selectat pe zbor va zbura ore multe ,dar va juca doar intamplator sau niciodata, in timp ce in mod similar un bun jucator, cu oricata straduinta din partea crescatorului, nu va putea depasi 2-3 ore ca durata.Tot asa cum punand unicolorii langa baltatii pe vanat ciocosi se vede si din avion ca n-au cum sa fie aceeasi rasa.Cine crede altceva n-are decat sa stea sa se certe in continuare cu toata lumea amagindu-se ca poate face din rahat bici.Zburand in stoluri « mixte » exemplare din ambele varietati proliferam o mare minciuna, dupa care porumbeii pot si zbura durate mari dar au si rezultate bune la joc ;in fapt nu e vorba defel de porumbei cu caractere comune si unitare.Galateanul « adevarat » s-a dovedit ca e mai mult o scorneala idealizata decat ceva foarte concret.Cum el se pare ca s-a cam pierdut,desi mai degraba el n-a existat vreodata si in realitate, nu ne ramane decat sa facem ordine in ceea ce mai avem din asa zisa rasa galateana,concret si demonstrabil si nu promisiuni ca vom face si vom drege.

  Cei care sunt foarte vehementi impotriva separarii porumbeilor galateni pe rase distincte,potrivit cu caracteristicile fiecarui tip,si tot agita sperietoarea cu pierderea unitatii rasei nu sunt decat samsarii.Si care se tem in mod evident de pierderea posibilitatii de a mai vinde orice fel de porumbel drept « galatean » sub pretextul ca el poate fi si jucator si zburator,poate scoate pui de orice fel si poate si arata oricum.

  Daca se-ntampla sa aflam in cartea lui Leonte,din gura lui Margineanu insusi,socotit drept cel mai si cel mai in materie de galateni,cat de mult e capabil sa zboare un bun jucator galatean sau cat de bun jucator e cel mai performant zburator si ne mai si dovedea dl.Margineanu cu fapte vorbele,mai ziceam ca avem niste repere de la care n-ar fi corect sa ne abatem.Cum n-avem asa ceva,decat sa stam sa speculam despre ce si cum ar putea sa fie,cand niste rezultate concrete ne dau mai exact masura posibilitatilor reale pe care le putem gasi la porumbeii astia,consider ca e mai bine de facut ceea ce demult era necesar,anume categorisirea separata si adecvata a acestui conglomerat de rase care sunt porumbeii galateni.

  Din mai toate descrierile pe care le avem despre acesti porumbei stim ca ei cuprind,in mare,cam 4 grupe :

-zburatorii de inaltime fara joc in cazul carora cerintele specifice sunt clare,zbor la mare inaltime,cu perioade de disparitie,fara joc ;in cazul lor exista opinii diferite privind maniera de zbor,adica zbor lent sau rapid,stolat sau solist ;

-jucatorii,adica aceia care fac,nu spune nimeni si cat de des,cam 4-5 tumbe in cadrul unui zbor de durata probabil ceva mai mare,poate pe la 5-6 ore,conform descrierii ;

-moriscarii,adica acea grupa de porumbei cu joc de mare performanta(cel mai adesea in snururi decel putin 20-30 de tumbe consecutive) dar asupra carora nu exista niciun fel de referire si la cat anume pot zbura ca durata sau inaltime,si

-cazatorii,care sunt tot un fel de moriscari,dar cu un joc exagerat,conducand in dese randuri la accidente in timpul zborului ;nici in cazul lor nu exista vreo referire la durata zborului.

  Aceste 4 grupe principale nu-s deloc exhaustive,inauntrul lor pot fi intalnite mai multe varietati cu anumite particularitati fenotipice proprii.

  Intre timp,s-a dezvoltat numeric si categoria porumbeilor rezultati din tot felul de incrucisari,si care si ei la randul lor s-ar putea categorisi in mai multe forme existente,crescuti in primul rand dupa aspect si mai putin sau deloc,in baza unor calitati de zbor sau joc.Si acestora li se spune tot « galateni ».

  In aceste conditii,cand vorbim despre porumbei cu origini,caractere morfologice si fiziologice atat de diferite,este aberant sa-i numim pe toti ca fiind « galateni ».Evident ca pentru unii perpetuarea unei asemenea situatii aduce tot felul de avantaje,dar e cazul sa dam niste definitii mai adecvate realitatii pentru fiecare grupa de porumbei din tot acest amestec din care fiecare intelege doar ce vrea si majoritatea nu intelege nimic.

  Comparatiile necesare cu rase similare dar specializate,cum ar fi Rollerii de Birmingham ne demonstreaza ca selectia specifica nu e deloc daunatoare nici pe termen lung.Asta apropo de teama unora ca selectia pentru joc cauzeaza inevitabil calitatii zborului.In cazul rollerilor de Birmingham,desi de zeci de ani selectia urmareste doar jocul efectuat prin rularea simpla inspre spate,efectuata relativ des si simultan de cat mai multe exemplare dintr-un stol,acest fapt n-a condus defel la pierderea calitatii de buni zburatori a acestor porumbei.Singurul detaliu interesant de stiut este ca atunci cand stolul urca la inaltimi mai mari,unde aprecierea corecta a jocului nu mai poate fi facuta,arbitrarea se intrerupe pana  cand stolul coboara la inaltimea unde acest lucru e posibil, conform regulamentului de concurs.Si nici in cazul Rollerilor Orientali,acolo unde inca mai sunt socotiti porumbei de zbor nefiind asimilati unor porumbei de ornament,nu se poate spune ca s-a schimbat ceva in privinta aptitudinilor lor.Prin urmare,conservarea unor aptitudini nu se poate face prin pretinderea unor cerinte nespecifice ci doar prin asigurarea conditiilor ca trasatura de baza sa se poata manifesta.Prin asta intelegand puritatea rasei,libertate si un minim antrenament.

  Subpretextul pastrarii specificitatii rasei galatene se propaga tot felul de idei false.Una dintre ele este aceea a pericolului uniformizarii caracterelor galatenilor cu ale Rollerilor de Birmingham,de pilda,prin faptul ca se apreciaza jocurile« simultane » la amandoua rasele.Nimic mai fals insa,aprecierea jocului simultan nu vine decat ca o recunoastere a bunelor deprinderi ale componentilor stolului de a executa jocul,trasatura pentru care au fost create amandoua varietatile.Ca sa nu cream confuzii precizez ca e vorba aici de galatenii moriscari nu de orice altceva.Iar diferenta majora si fundamentala care face separatia intre moriscarii romanesti si rollerii de Birmingham este si trebuie sa ramana tipul de invartitura si nu cat de des ori« simultan » este ea executata.Numai cine n-a vazut in viata lui rolleri de Birmingham la zbor poate sa le conteste calitatile de buni zburatori ;desigur ca acestia,ca si moriscarii galateni nu e cazul sa fie si niste campioni de durata,nu pentru asa ceva au fost creati si selectati.Cand vorbim de corecta lor apreciere prin niste regulamente de zbor adecvate trebuie sa tinem cont tocmai de aceste lucruri si nu de alte inchipuiri.Corect au fost apreciate inca de dl.Sasu cu ocazia redactarii acelor prime instructiuni privind desfasurarea concursurilor de zbor si in Romania si in care este prevazut ca moriscarii galateni si rollerii de Birmingham se arbitreaza dupa acelasi regulament,apreciindu-se,ca si astazi la EFU,particularitatile diferentiate ale jocului existente la cele doua rase(rularea simpla inspre inapoi la Birmingham si varietatea cat mai mare de invartitura la moriscari).Vorbind,intr-un articol scris in 1984 despre jucatorii galateni,columbofilul german Armbruster spune ca « in comparatie cu rollerii de Birmingham galatenii zboara mai frumos,grupat si cu batai rapide din aripi.Jocul lor este la fel de razant si se realizeaza concomitent de mai multi porumbei ».Ba mai mult decat atat,aprecierea jocului « simultan » este prevazuta de Sasu nu numai la varietatea de moriscari ci si la varietatea « de zbor si joc » ceea ce inseamna ca,poate, nici acea varietate n-ar trebui sa joace doar asa la intamplare.Dar cand noi organizam niste concursuri cu niste asa-zisi « jucatori » galateni care joaca ori foarte rar,ori deloc,e normal sa nu putem vorbi de jocuri simultane.

  Concursurile cu porumbei jucatori sunt mult mai dificil de realizat decat cele cu zburatori de durata sau inaltime prin insasi particularitatile pe care le implica.Cluburile serioase atat din Anglia cat si din Statele Unite care organizeaza concursuri cu rolleri folosesc un numar minim de 3 arbitri :unul cronometreza,al doilea urmareste stolul si striga cu voce tare jocurile efectuate si numarul de porumbei ce joaca simultan iar un al treilea e cel care noteaza,in asa fel incat sa se poata aprecia corect ceea ce se intampla pe durata zborului si-a concursului.La noi,exceptand concursurile cu Tippleri si Rosii de Targoviste,cazuri in care lucrurile sunt clare si fara echivocuri in privinta cerintelor,suntem mai mult in faza de experimente prin care nu se zboara si nu se concureaza in mod specific cu niste rase clar definite ci se incearca doar un fel de legitimare a unor categorii de porumbei care ulterior devin, in foarte scurt timp,subiect de comert.Practica,atata putina cata e,a concursurilor de la noi dovedeste ea singura,fara sa mai fie nevoie de categorisirile facute de crescatori,ce fel de porumbei avem.Jenante nu-s decat toate demersurile care vor sa prezinte lucrurile altfel decat ele sunt.E suficienta o simpla privire pe fisele de concurs pentru a vedea cine creste zburatori fara joc,cine jucausi si cine moriscari.Si,mai ales ,cine umbla cu cioara vopsita.

  Prin clubul pe care-l reprezint, impreuna cu colegii mei sau poate ca nu cu toti,depinde de preferinte,vom face demersurile necesare pentru recunoasterea ca rasa separata a celor mai valorosi porumbei de joc romanesti,sub o titulatura proprie,recunoscuta de multa vreme.Pentru ca daca a fost o vreme in care numele acestor porumbei s-a transformat in renume,cred ca acum e randul ca si renumele sa redea acestor porumbei un nume propriu.

  Articolul asta nu se vrea nicidecum un elogiu la adresa moriscarilor,va veni si randul unei prezentari detaliate, asa cum nu si-a propus nici denigrarea vreunei alte varietati de porumbel.Este vorba de faptul ca avem de-a face cu niste porumbei care n-au in comun nimic :nici origine,nici caractere morfologice si nici aptitudini.Ma uit la porumbeii pe care-i cresc eu de multi ani si pe care-i stiu foarte bine de ce sunt in stare si care le sunt limitele, ma uit de ani de zile si la porumbeii altora despre care la fel am vazut de ce sunt in stare.Si cred ca m-am cam saturat sa stau  si sa fiu in dezacord cu X sau cu Y despre care-s mai « galateni » porumbei,ai mei sau ai lor ca si despre inadecvarea oricarui gen de regulament de concurs pe o asa zisa rasa capabila de orice.Gasesc ca e lipsit de orice logica sa vorbim despre « jucatorul »galatean in mai multe variante :de joc,de zbor,de frumusete,etc.Dupa ani si ani de discutii sterile cred ca mult vanturata varianta « de zbor si joc » nu e decat un pretext pentru a nu se schimba nimic,motivat doar de interese marunte si lipsa de curaj si onestitate.

  Prin urmare,este cazul sa renuntam la« Jucatorul de Galati »  ca s irasa in forma lui actuala,pentru ca exista o gramada de argumente in favoarea unei asemenea optiuni si absolut niciuna pentru.Cine vrea sa creasca pe mai departe astfel de « jucatori » n-are decat,eu vreau o denumire care sa fie conforma cu aptitudinile si caracteristicile tipului de porumbel pecare-l cresc nu doar eu ci si multi altii.Asa ca pe viitor vom vorbi despreMoriscarul Romanesc,cel mai valoros porumbel romanesc de joc si printre cele mai bune din lume la capitolul asta,privindu-l si tratandu-l drept ceea ce este si neincercand modificarea lui in scopul uniformizarii unor caractere comune cu ale altor varietati,fiindca in felul asta se pierde si ce-a mai ramas din aceasta foarte valoroasa rasa de porumbel romanesc.

  Daca vorbim de « rasa » atunci trebuie sa si intelegem ce inseamna asta,adica o populatie cu caractere morfologice si fiziologice comune.Nu pot fi una si aceeasi rasa exemplare cu joc intens si altele care nu joaca deloc,unele cu cioc de 12-14 mm laolalta cu cele cu cioc de peste 20 mm,cele cu picioare mai scurte(7,5 cm) cu cele avand lungimea picioarelor de 8,5-9 cm,cele cu greutatea de 300 g cu altele de 400 g sau mai mult si tot asa.Desigur ca niciunei rase crescute pentru zbor nu i se pretinde sa aiba niste caracteristici biometrice extrem de exacte,insa polimorfismul despre care s-a vorbit in cazul raselor de zburatori ca vine si contribuie la pastrarea calitatilor de zbor nu trebuie prost inteles.

   Materialul prezent nu se doreste un atac la persoana nimanui,consider ca firesc ar fi sa nu combatem oameni ci ideile lor,care pot fi, datorita unui subiectivism exagerat,si gresite uneori Critica afirmatiilor din acest articol asupra continutului cartii sale n-are a face nimic cu persoana Ovidiu Leonte  sau cu alte nume amintite aici ci doar cu modul in care  fiecare a ales sa-si asume prezentarea unor aspecte din istoria porumbeilor galateni.

.  Ca si crescatori romani de porumbei, noua tuturor,indiferent de gusturile fiecaruia,ar trebui sa ne revina sarcina pastrarii si ducerii mai departe a acestui element de patrimoniu national reprezentat de toate rasele nationale romanesti.Asta ca  sa nu mai tot privim cu invidie la realizarile si succesele altora,mirandu-ne de ce ei pot si noi nu.Iar ca si rasa romaneasca putem avea si jucatori si zburatori si din aia de expozitie,dupa cum doreste fiecare.Dar toate intr-una singura e dovedit ca nu se poate.Esecul,incepand cu standardul din 1975,al tuturor altor variante vehiculate intre timp, excede mai bunelor sau mai putin bunelor intentii ale celor ce le-au redactat.E ca si cum in Anglia cuiva i-ar fi dat prin cap sa faca un standard si-un regulament comun de concurs pentru tippleri si pentru rollerii de Birmingham si s-ar fi mirat dupa aceea ca lucrurile nu se leaga deloc.Pur si simplu in cauza sunt lucruri total diferite pentru care trebuie date si solutii diferite.

     Pentru asta e nevoie ca si la noi sa luam lucrurile asa cum sunt ele in realitate si sa nu mai umblam cu tot felul de fantezii.Luand ca ghid prima descriere pe care o avem despre« galateni »,cea din cartile lui Peterfi si in care este redat nu ceea ce autorul ar fi considerat ci,asa cum este in mod clar specificat, ceea ce crescatorii insisi de porumbei « galateni » deosebesc, e necesar sa-i categorisim si noi in cel putin 3 rase diferite :zburatori(porumbei cu zbor de inaltime si fara joc),jucatori sau jucausi care zboara mai putin decat prima varianta dar au si un joc de cateva tumbe si moriscarii care sunt adevaratii concurenti ai rollerilor de orice fel.Cu 3 standarde diferite si regulamente pentru organizarea concursurilor pe masura putem sa incercam sa scapam de toata dihonia asta care macina de zeci de ani columbofilia dinRomania

   .Cine vrea sa creasca « galateni »doar asa de amorul artei se poate folosi de actualul standard omologat la EE cu conditia amendarii titulaturii si transformarea ei intr-una specifica porumbeilor de expozitie.

    Articolul asta s-a dorit o prezentare cat mai obiectiva a unor realitati,bazat fiind pe o documentare critica si completa ce poate fi facuta astazi.El nu are ca scop impunerea unor pareri cu statut de adevar unic,oricine altcineva are libertatea de a avea alte optiuni in masura in care le poate sustine pe un  minim de argumente.

    Prin urmare,din acest an vom avea un standard propriu pentru porumbelul Moriscar Romanesc pe care-l vom promova ca atare pe mai departe.Si ca sa nu fiu prost inteles,fiindca unii sunt poate mai refractari la a primi sfaturi chiar daca sunt bune, ii las pe toti ceilalti,care au alte preferinte,sa faca ceea ce cred ei de cuvinta ca trebuie facut in legatura cu porumbeii pe care-i cresc.

                                                       


                                                                                                                                                                                Adrian Nistor,martie 2012


 P.S. Acelasi material avand insa si material ilustrativ exemplificativ se poate vizualiza la adresa:http://www.porumbei-agrement.com/porumbei-romanesti/porumbeii-galateni-nevoia-de-clarificare/

 

 

 

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Reply yaguo664
9:35 PM on September 9, 2022 
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6:18 PM on September 6, 2022 
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6:24 AM on September 6, 2022 
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7:18 AM on September 2, 2022 
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Reply zghpz717
12:02 AM on September 2, 2022 
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Reply djztj126
11:47 PM on September 1, 2022 
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7:02 PM on September 1, 2022 
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on-vse-serii-v-horoshem-kachestve.html Clare Kilner The Alienist HBO publishes official photos of actors dressed as their characters Everything is very pompous, majestic and grand in scale. How your ancestors fight for control of the Iron Throne of Westeros The announcement of the new trailer also included new posters of the main characters. Of Dornish descent Its very complex and Miguel and other directors will open in a new tab There is no one here to support
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10:06 AM on September 1, 2022 
It was set much earlier and did not feature any of the recognizable families from the show. Why does my daughter's debt forgiveness bother my brother so much? You're not alone There will be many dragons and battles. But the Game of Thrones itself was secondary in many ways: by the end of the series, several castrati heroes roamed the screen at once, several loving couples of close relatives at once, several Hulk ladies, and several madmen. ladies in power heres everything you need to know heading into House of the Dragon When it was over, thousands were dead. purely as a spectator Martin offered an update on this sea of spin offs actions and dialogues remain subject to speculation "I don't think Westeros is more anti-woman or misogynistic than history" https://www.residenzagrimani.it/2022/08/18/%d1%81%d0%bc%d0%be%d1%
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9:20 AM on September 1, 2022 
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Reply wtneo889
8:52 AM on September 1, 2022 
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7:51 AM on September 1, 2022 
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6:20 AM on September 1, 2022 
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1:35 AM on September 1, 2022 
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Reply witmo750
11:19 PM on August 31, 2022 
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10:49 PM on August 31, 2022 
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Reply fxhgv906
10:33 PM on August 31, 2022 
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Reply jqflc718
8:34 PM on August 31, 2022 
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Reply vxrvz664
5:33 PM on August 31, 2022 
Inspired by imperial China which was pretty groundbreaking House of the Dragon has its own tone that will evolve and emerge over the course of the show Game of Thrones fans less than a year after Prince Viserys claimed him and while the prince was still very young
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Reply stzuz847
5:17 PM on August 31, 2022 
His accounts of his days at court teemed with tales of debauchery and scandal As editors at The Times Thats good news for fans Exclusive First Look Helaena Aegon IIs sister wife
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